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This book sounds great, bonkers in a fascinating way, and the post does a great job presenting it, threading the needle of debates people have been having here on Substack. I guess that I have some predictable reservations about Collins as you present him, which I think you have as well. His theories about how networks operate aren’t social science in the sense of offering a cause-and-effect model, and they abstract from how members of a given network understand what they themselves are up to. (Probably not *that* much, if Collins could have a drink with Pico della Mirandola, Pico would maybe admit that Collins had understood a lot about the Renaissance).

I seem incapable of writing short, non-pompous comments on this website, so here’s a too-long one: “Philosophy” in the western and Islamic worlds is a user’s category, going all the way back to Hericlitus. So a sociology of philosophy from the Eleatics to Patricia Churchland is the study of a 2,500 year old continuous living tradition that’s always been more or less self-conscious. “Literature” I think did not become a user’s category until the early 19th century? I’ve always been told the modern meaning of that word comes from Mme. de Stäel, but now that I type this it sounds wrong. You’d know better than me: of course the idea of literature has a thousand precursors. Anyway, Plato distinguished philosophy from poetry, the telling of beautiful lies about the gods. Whatever he meant by expelling the poets from the city, Plato like Parmenides produced great literature by any standard. The effort to make philosophy ugly has as often as not failed when the philosophy is good. Even in dry-as-dust analytical philosophy the greatest name is Wittgenstein, an extraordinary modernist writer. The other aspect of literature vs. philosophy you bring up is harder to quibble about: philosophical writing is often written for a smaller, self-consciously elite audience. But it doesn’t apply to the 18th century outside of Germany, or to the Discourse on Method. (I know you aren’t trying to draw a hard-and-fast distinction, really the opposite.)

Where might literature and the sociology of literature fit into the quarrel between philosophy and poetry? This is certainly my professional deformation speaking, but I’d date its emergence to A. W. Schlegel and Goethe, synthesizing ideas that had emerged in the 18th debates that gave birth to aesthetics. For them, works of literature (Schlegel calls all art “poetry”) are in part the products of different cultural milieux, of a Volksgeist or a national esprit in Montesquieu’s sense, determined at a first approximation by the nexus of language, form of government, mode of subsistence and religion. Schlegel draws a distinction between nature- and art- poetry, and if we’re charitable readers the distinction is still interesting. “Nature” poetry expresses of a culture’s mythological worldview, with the artist aspiring to anonymity. In “art” poetry the artist self-consciously transforms inherited genres and is appreciated for doing so. The emergence of this poetry results in a certain secularization of art, and the phenomena of recognizable generations and network effects. (These aren’t Schelgel’s terms, but they are what he writes about. What was romantic Symphilosophie if not networked philosophy that gloried in not distinguishing between philosophy and literature?). The secularization that “art poetry” brings about is incomplete because, beyond differences of climate and language, the differences between national literatures are connected to different worldviews, ideas about the cosmic or sacred. (This is true for Shakespeare vs. Sophocles vs. Calderon but even truer when it comes to the Bhagavad Gita, which Schlegel translated). The task of Kunstlehre or Literaturwissenschaft is to complete the secularization initiated by art-poetry through a process of comparison that takes seriously the milieu from which poetry emerges, in order to help make the self-knowledge literature gives us truly universal. (What I’m calling non-reductionist “secularization” Schlegel sometimes called a new or universal mythology, and of course he eventually became a cranky conservative, to the disappointment of Goethe and Hegel. But Schlegel’s inspiration in the 1801 Kunstlehre was Goethe, and the version of this ideal that comes from Goethe I at least find digestible.)

The ways of thinking about art that Schlegel opposed are still with us today. On the one hand there was the Platonic tradition of Leibniz, Malebranche, Shaftesbury (and their 18th century handbook-writing disciples). For writers in this tradition the content of art is Beauty which reflects eternal Reason, and the “sociological” details of the culture or networks of influence from which it emerged are of limited interest. On the other hand there was the materialism of the Enlightenment (La Mettrie etc.), which tries to explain the pleasure we take in different kinds of art in terms of the disposition of our “machine,” something which does not vary across cultures. This way of thinking secularizes you into a perspective where art is merely decorative. This is the case with Bourdieu, but also say Daron Acemoglu, who is supposed to be the rare economist who takes “culture” seriously. Contemporary social science presupposes and gives succor to a very reductive way of looking at life that is unable to find art interesting. The experience of great art can disrupt this perspective, but this experience tempts art lovers to an untenable platonism. I see the value of your Substack contributions as showing the writers and critics here that, firstly, like your friend who wanted to know what Hart Crane had for lunch, they are already interested in sociology whether they know it or not. Secondly, that actual academic sociology speaks to their deepest interests, even if the academic sociologists sometimes need a helping hand from you. It harkens back to the old romanticism in a way the new romanticism should appreciate.

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Sam Kahn's avatar

Great piece Julianne! Btw I can’t think of a better model for how academics can communicate with a wider public than what you’re doing. You’re taking a very dense but very interesting text - the sort of thing that was, like, hidden behind academic publishing catalogs - and making it accessible to an engaged lay audience. It’s striking that not that many academics do what you’re doing (although obviously more now), and writing like this really helps to unlock a lot of knowledge.

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